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Douglas DB-8A/3N

History

The origins of the DB-8A goes back to the Northrop Gamma.
It was the Northrop Gamma C-2, developed as an attack plane. This aircraft was slightly modified as Gamma 2F and ordered by the USAAC under the designation A-17 and later a second series with retractable landing gear was ordered under the designation A-17A.

In August 1937 Northrop was acquired by Douglas. The A-17 was still sold under the name Northrop, however, the export version was sold as Douglas DB-8A.
The DB-8A was also sold to Sweden as DB-8A-1, which had a further 103 aircraft built under license; Argentina as DB-8A-2. Peru as DB-8A-3P, Iraq, the DB-8A-4 and around the DB-8A-5.
Netherlands bought the DB-8A-3N.

 

Technical information
Dimensions:
Length: 9,06 m Wingspan: 14,05 m
Height: 2,95 m Wing area: - m2
Weights:
Empty weight: 2390 kg Max. start weight: 3580 kg
Performances:
Max. speed: 416 km/hr Rate of climb: - m/min
Cruising speed: 330 km/hr    
Range: 2000 km Service ceiling: 7700 m
Miscellaneous:
Engine type: One Pratt & Whitney R-1830 S3CG Twin Wasp rated 1050 hp
Crew: Two men
Armament: Four wing mounted .30 machine guns; one movable .30 machine gun; 1200 pound bombs.

 


In 1935, plans were made to rebuild the defence and the organization of the LVA was re-examined.
 The war organization should consist of three air regiments (LVR = LuchtVaart Regiment), 1LVR for air defence and strategic tasks; 2LvR to support the army and 3 LVR for training. 2 LVR would be composed of four reconnaissance groups, designated as I-2 to IV-2 LVR plus one fighter group, V-2 LVR.
 The latter would consist of four divisions, two fighter divisions with one seat fighters and two divisions with two seat fighters.
 Besides ordering a number of Fokker-types, there was still need for approximately eighteen fighters to equip one  section.
 On the market in 1938 there was only the Douglas DB-8A in production, available with three different engines.
 There were also the Koolhoven FK-52, Caproni Ca.134 and the Seversky  2 PA available. Of these types there was just only a prototype built.
 Fokker and also De Schelde each has two types in development, but these still had to be built.
 In October 1938 the Douglas DB-8A in the version with Pratt & Whitney engine was chosen.

After testing a Peruvian unit, On March 14, 1939 a contract was signed to supply 18 aircraft with a Pratt & Whitney R1830 Wasp-SC3G of 1065 hp.
 Furthermore, a rotating tub for the observers deemed necessary. The armament, consisting of four FN machine guns would have to be bought by the Netherlands.

Late July the test pilot Coyle made the first flight, which showed that the air intake of NACA cap was inadequate and should be adjusted.

The aircraft, with serial numbers 581 to 599, received LVA registration 381 to 399.
 The registrations in the 300 range were assigned to two seat fighters. So the Douglas DB-8A was therefore seen as a fighter.
 The 382 and 383 made their test flight in August 1939 and shipped to the Netherlands on August 26, together with the 381.
 The 384 to 389 made their test flight in September. Douglas no 386 hit head in the landing and had to go back to the factory for repair.
 The 390 to 398 were sent between 8 and 14 November, the repaired 386 finally on 16 November.
 The trip lasted about forty days and the first aircraft would be arrived early October and the last aircraft arrived late December in the Netherlands.

After mobilization of the LVA in April 1939, 2-V LVR was not yet operational. It was founded in August and preliminary equipped with seven Fokker D.XVIIs.
 In September, two departments formed a 1-V-2 LVR with Fokker D.XXIs and 2-V-2 LVR with Fokker D.XVII.
 The DB-8A's would be added to 3-V-2 LVR.
 In April 1940 the situation was as follows: 1-V-2 LVR with eight Fokker D.XXIs, 2-V-2 LVR eight Fokker G.Is Wasp, 3-V-2 LVR with twelve Douglas DB-8As and 4-V-2 LVR with eight Fokker G.Is Wasp.
[The Fokker G.Is originated from Spanish order, which could not be delivered due to the arms embargo at that time.
 These aircraft became available rather unexpectedly. There was talked about a second order for another 18 Douglas DB-8A]
 The DB-8A's were fitted by the LVB Soesterberg.

The commander of 3-V-2 LVR, captain J.A.Bach took care of the testflight and training.
 The Commander of the Flight school has requested a number of DB-8As for the training, but this was not allowed.
 The alarm on November 7 November 1939 had many movements as a result.
 The LVB had to leave air base Soesterberg. To assembly of the DB-8As was to locations such as Maaldrift, Wassenaar and  sports park
 Ockenburg, near Loosduinen.
 This last location was chosen, so the fences and the like were removed and there was a makeshift airport of approximately 200 by 600 m was created.
 The DB-8A's which were ready to fly, were flown to Ockenburg and the rest was driven via the road to Ockenburg.
 On 11 December it was reported that all eight aircraft, of the first two deliveries, were ready and flown back to Soesterberg.
 In early 1940 there were also the last ten aircraft were assembled.
 During March 1940 the radios were installed.
 However, internal communication was not possible, so the crew communicated with each other through the passing of papers.

On March 15, 1940 Douglas 385 crashed near Ypenburg, as a replacement Douglas 393 came from depot.

 Repairs and major maintenance was outsourced and performed by KLM.
 On May 10, 1940 was of the Douglas 383 had no spark plugs, eleven Db-8As were further combat ready,to know 381, 382, 384, 385, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391 and 393. During the first hours of the battle, all DB-8A's were disabled.

 The cause of this debacle lies in the improper use of the Douglas DB-8A. They were designed as a scout and light bomber, but were deployed here as a two seat fighter, mainly due to lack of appropriate fighter aircraft.
 Some aircraft had landed at Ockenburg but there was no possibility to refuel. On may 10, 1940 this field was conquered
 by the Germans, but was reconquered. 
Ockenburg was not really useful, because it was full with wrecks of Ju-52's.
 Finally Douglas 394 to 398 were conquered on Ockenburg, the 397 was heavily damaged.
The 390 was recovered by a scrap metal dealer, who told he was a salver.

Douglas DB-8A/3N 388 at Soesterberg, 1940.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Douglas DB-8A/3N 392 at Soesterberg, April-May 1940.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Douglas DB-8A/3N 396 being removed from Ockenburg after the capitulation, May 1940.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Douglas DB-8A/3N 390 at Soesterberg , March 1940. Inspection by Cdt. Veldleger Lt.Gen. baron J.J.G. van Voorst tot Voorst.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]

 

Factory photos. (All aircraft were delivered with the Dutch roundels.)

DB-8A/3N serial 391, at El Segundo.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Douglas DB-8A/3N at El Segundo with captain J.H. van Giessen and test pilot Bogen.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Douglas DB-8A/3N at El Segundo August 1, 1939. Test pilot O.W. Coyle and Mr. Hamilton.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Undercarriage of a DB-8A/3N serial 391.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Cockpit of a DB-8A/3N, at El Segundo.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
DB-8A/3N cockpit with controls.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
DB-8A/3N observer cockpit with machine gun.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]
Cockpit of a DB-8A/3N.
[Enclosed photo from BeeldBank NIMH. Click on photo for ordering information]

 


SerialConstruction nr.Date in serviceDate out of serviceNotes
381 531 20-09-1939 10-05-1940 Shot down near Hoek van Holland.
382 532 20-09-1939? 10-05-1940 Shot down near Honselersdijk
383 533 20-09-1939 14-05-1940 At Ypenburg without spark plugs. Captured by the Germans.
384 534 20-09-1939 10-05-1940 Landing at Rozenburg, ended standing on its nose.
385 535 20-09-1939 10-05-1940 Shot down near Kijkduin
386 536 29-09-1939 15-03-1940 Crashed while practising dive bombing
387 537 29-09-1939 10-05-1940 Crashed near Leerbroek, due to wing damage
388 538 29-09-1939 10-05-1940 Shot down near Voorschoten.
389 539 29-09-1939 14-05-1940 Landed at Ockenburg because of failure of machine-guns.
390 540 08-11-1939 (sent from factory) 14-05-1940 Because of engine trouble emergency landing near Schipluiden.
391 541 08-11-1939 14-05-1940 Run out of ammo and landed at Ockenburg.
392 542 08-11-1939 10-05-1940 Crasdhed near Pijnacker.
393 543 08-11-1939 10-05-1940 Shot down near Vlaardingen.
394 544 08-11-1939 14-05-1940 Flown to Ockenburg May 8, 1940 and stored.
All were captured by the Germans.
395 545 13-11-1939 14-05-1940 
396 546 13-11-1939 14-05-1940
397 547 14-11-1939 14-05-1940
398 548 14-11-1939 14-05-1940

 


1/72nd Scale

Kits

  • MPM
    • Kit 72525: DB8A-3N (Dutch LVA Version)

 

Douglas DB 8A 3N 1
Douglas 8A-3N, built by Adri Kleijn.
Douglas DB 8A 3N 2
Douglas 8A-3N, built by Adri Kleijn.
Douglas DB 8A 3N 3
Douglas 8A-3N, built by Adri Kleijn.

 

1/48th Scale

Kits

  • Geromy
    • Kit g48-004:Resin kit with white metal parts for a Douglas DB8A-3N. The kit contains Dutch decals

Modelling add-on

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Decals

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SchemeColour nameFS-numberHumbrolXtraColorWEMVallejo ModelColor
Standard #1Upper surfaces LVA Camouflage Brown  20059  -  - AC D 02 70.985
LVA Camouflage Beige  26360  ~168  X16 AC D 01  
LVA Camouflage Green  24077  ~172  X223 Ac D03 70.979
Undersides LVA Camouflage Brown  20059  -  - AC D 02 70.985

Check www.paint4models.com for an extensive conversion table with lots of colour and paint systems.

Douglas DB-8A/3N 1 SMALL
Douglas DB-8A/3N: Scheme 1 on aircraft with serials 381 till 389.
Douglas DB-8A/3N 2 SMALL
Douglas DB-8A/3N: Scheme 2 (beige and green reversed compared to scheme 1) applied on aircraft with serials 390 and on.

 


Literature.

Nederlandse Militaire Luchtvaart in Beeld. deel 1. Hugo Hooftman pag. 146 - 147 1977 Uitgever: Europese Bibliotheek, Zaltbommel
Modelbouw In Plastic jaargang 9, nummer 2: Naschrift 8A-3N artikel G.Wind MIP 1980-1. Hans Loeber pag. 45 1980 Uitgever: I.P.M.S. Nederland, Nederland
Van Luchtvaartafdeling tot Koninklijke Luchtmacht 75 jaar Militaire Luchtvaart in Nederland Koos van de Berg 24 1987 Uitgever: Rebo Produkties, Sassenheim
KLu Vliegtuigen: De vliegtuigen van de Koninklijke Luchtmacht vanaf 1913 Wim Schoenmaker & Thijs Postma pag. 70 1987 Uitgeverij De Alk, Alkmaar
Luchtvaartwereld; 7e jaargang nummer 6: Douglas DB-8A/3N (deel 2) Frits Gerdessen pag. 187 - 190 1990 Uitgeverij Ten Brink, Meppel
Luchtvaartwereld; 7e jaargang nummer 5: Douglas DB-8A/3N (deel 1) Frits Gerdessen Pag. 155 - 160 1990 Uitgeverij Ten Brink, Meppel
Squadrons van de Koninklijke Luchtmacht (derde herzien druk) Willem Helfferich Pag. 17 - 19 1994 Uitgevers Wyt, Rotterdam
Modelbouw in Plastic jaargang 24, nummer 2: Museumstukken van kunsthars deel 2 : Douglas 8A-3N Peter Booy Pag. 45 - 48 1995 Uitgever: I.P.M.S. Nederland, Nederland
Camouflage en Kentekens J.Greuter e.a.   1997 Bonneville – Bergen (NH)
Dutch Profile: Douglas DB-8A/3N in dienst van de Militaire Luchtvaart F. Gerdessen & L. Boerman   2012 Luukzwerk - Zwammerdam

 

Websites.

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